Richard wrote a post about Baptism on his blog: HERE
I like it when he says:
Catholics talk quite a lot about the rights of the unborn child and then, after they are born, Bang! You can do whatever you like to them! Catholics also seem to believe that whatever baptism does, you're stuck with it for life - you can never get rid of it. Wouldn't it be better to wait until adulthood and then give the person a choice? No, because Catholics KNOW they are right and they KNOW that baptism is essential.
He wrote this as a response to some old horseshit that Robert was banging on about to do with sin, salvation and how by being baptised believers get to go to heaven instead of hell.
The whole notion is just too silly and naive for words but ..... has been around for hundreds of years - at least back to the 3rd century AD. Christian believers have embraced this blindly, never seeming to think about it in depth. Why would anyone be born with 'sin' on their soul that requires having it washed away in an arcane and dangerous ceremony. What is 'sin' anyway? Why can't parents wait until their child is old enough to form their own opinion on whether they want to be baptised or not?
I rejected the Catholic mumbo jumbo way too late - when I was about 11. My mother, a staunch Catholic used to call me a 'heathen'. I used to laugh at that.
I wish that I'd been able to reject the baptism thing when I was a baby.
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I thought this post was just getting going and then it stopped.
ReplyDeleteIt's important that Robert reads it but his concentration span is limited.
ReplyDeleteI read until I found a sentence or two that I could answer.
ReplyDelete"Why would anyone be born with 'sin' on their soul that requires having it washed away in an arcane and dangerous ceremony. What is 'sin' anyway? Why can't parents wait until their child is old enough to form their own opinion on whether they want to be baptised or not?"
Sin originated with the fall of one third of the angels. God had given angels free will like us. The thing was that some angels wanted to be better. Trent Horn says a creation can never be better than it's creator. Then God creates man and woman. They are special. So special that God places them above the angels or spiritual beings. But Adam and Eve are tempted by Satan, one of the fallen spirits, and using their free will they again choose knowledge of good and evil against Gods wishes. There was no apple by the way. Apple and evil in latin are just spelt the same and was a literary device.
Why baptize children? Baptism is a second birth that makes us part of the kingdom of God. It's very hard for the unbaptized to receive the graces God intended for Adam and Eve but they rejected. This raises the question of whether the unbaptized can achieve heaven. The unbaptized have a natural moral law written in their heart, but Jesus calls us to much more. Only the grace of God and Baptism can give us the continual grace we need through faith and works have hope of eternal happiness and not eternal damnation.
You asked. Like it or lump it!
Sounds like a fairytale.
ReplyDeleteWhich one?
ReplyDeleteAn aside to the audience. Richard's going to struggle just wait and see.
ReplyDeleteYes it does sound like a fairy tale although most fairy tales I've heard or read have a much better moral lesson in them - one that's not all about vengeance from a psychotic god.
ReplyDeleteIt's more like one of those dark Marvel-type superhero movies that Hollywood churns out nowadays.
So you said in the end that it's more like a superhero movie than a fairy tale. How do you think Richard feels now?
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