I wonder if you noticed that Robert the Catholic guy wrote a post in answer to The Curmudgeon's post HIDDEN WOMEN IN HISTORY where women's contributions to the arts, science and academia have largely been ignored, suppressed or stolen and, when acknowledged it's been done in a condescending way?
Taking umbrage at a suggestion that the Catholic Church has taken a very active role in suppression of women and has largely ignored women's input into the aforesaid arts, science and academia Robert said that The Curmudgeon was bigoted.
He then went on to write, in a condescending way, how he believed that women have been given a fair go by the Church.
His own biases are evident in this defence - "They did not have to fear being divorced or forced to have abortion" - and he struggled to come up with convincing examples - "Even today most churches are named after women".
I very much doubt that's correct and most of them will carry the name 'Mary'. Even if it were true it would be another example of diversion where the big issue of women's role in the Catholic Church is being deflected by giving the dames some naming rights to keep them happy kind of like giving them some bling or flowers as a sweetener.
On the big issue of women having a say and actually wielding power in the Church, Robert won't condone women becoming priests or bishops like the Anglican Church allows:
"Go to any Sunday Mass and you will see that women probably outnumber men. That's not a sign that they feel oppressed. I'm not that sure that women would really want to be Priests".
Robert the Catholic guy
I guess that this must be a current talking point in Catholic sermons at present as directed by The Vatican. I've mentioned this before - here's an example CONGREGATION OF THE PROPAGANDA FIDE
I noted that Catholic publications are singing the same song:
There are some very compelling reasons why we do not need women priests in the Catholic Church, and they have names: Mary, Maria, Teresa, Mother Teresa, Therese, Teresa Benedicta or Edith, Bernadette, Bakita—to name just a few. If we consider parish leadership or the administration of sacraments as the only paths to spiritual success, then indeed, we have a problem. However, all the aforementioned women were able to achieve the highest accolade of sanctity without holy orders. In Catholicism, the ultimately goal is to become saintly, not to become a priest, and our female canonised Saints fare pretty well on that score.The Catholic Herald 4 January 2024
"No, RC women are treated quite well; it is not hard to think of other religions though where this is not true. Maybe Peter will mention them! I suspect not."
I totally agree. I can't imagine that there would have been and would be so much sexual abuse in the Catholic Church if women were able to be priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals and popes. It's about time that this archaic and patriarchal institution woke up.
ReplyDeleteThis is actually an interesting series of posts. Women obviously need Peter to stand up for them too. I think women priests would be ok. But would you finish up with a lot of hard unhappy celibate women like some of the nuns I remember from my child hood?
ReplyDeleteOf course not because if the Church woke up enough to allow women to be priests it would allow priests to marry and be normal.
DeleteCommenter 181316 etc kind of misses the point but nails it as far as misogyny goes.
ReplyDeletePriests don't have to be celibate. Male, female, straight, gay or whatever - don't have to be hard unhappy and celibate. Ideally they should have loving partners to help them in their jobs as priests to assist the community that their churches are in.
Michael, Robert ( agent 18 13 16181523195) has a good heart but somewhere along his life journey has been shanghaied by the forces of evil.
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